swissgear
08-24 12:00 AM
Context is everything
And people here are scolding and ranting against the program, not "loophole". But why even fight against the so-called loopholes? Don't we have anything better to do? Visa recapture is a much more worthy goal
And BTW, a 30k salary doesn't matter for executives. Jerry Yang works for $1 a year, so does it mean he is not eligible? And what about the executives working for free for a noble cause? Not everyone is money-minded, and they may choose their goals and priorities
GK, All I can say about your disconnected arguments are one thing. Myself and Nathan are talking about fairness about the system and on how corporates exploit the loophole thereby exploiting the hardworking individuals like you and me. We never here scolded and ranted about the program and as a matter of fact we are having issues with the so called "LoopHole" But your arguments are going in a completely different direction. You can re-read all of our posts again and see where we mentioned anything about ranting against the program.
And BTW FYI, I never worked for TCS. And to let you know, I did my Masters in Soft Engg from BITS and Bachelors in Technology. When I say I got paid 65k for the kind of service I did to the company(5 yrs ago) , itself says a lot of things on how companies exploit which has no relation to the number of yrs of experience and qualifications.
All that matters for those companies is whether client is made happy or not, irrespective of what you undergo. FYI I worked company starting with W (top 3 IT companies in India at that time) .
Let me explain you how this works.....Exactly as to how it happened in my case.
First you are given ransom salary offer say 30-40% more that what you might be earning and an immediate on-site offer within 12 months of joining the company. You feel pretty happy with all of those initially.
Later they send you onsite as promised on L1 by making you wait for 1 yr, (even when they can sponsor you H1) so person would be eligible on L1. Things will look good until now.
While sending you to onsite, no one will let you know what kind of salary you would be paid. Things will start to get interesting from the moment you land in US.
You are paid just a week of hotel stay(extended stay) and 1 week car rental(only if you have valid DL). You have to beg / borrow for a ride or take public commute if available.
After 2 days of settling you will be given a salary letter stating that your salary is 50k with a bonus of 5k.
This is the catch. The companies feel that sending a guy on site itself is a big deal. Logically you think that person earning more at offshore than the other person will also get paid more. Its not the case, everyone at onsite are paid the same, irrespective of what their salary is are offshore(only 2 salary ranges exist).And there is no offshore component, and the pathetic thing about it is, you are paid basic salary at offshore deducting from your onsite salary.
Also, just so you know, and onsite person playing a manager role is just an additional responsibility and not a dedicated role. So this is on top of your regular technical role.
And now comes your GC step. After you spend 5 yrs onsite, since you have to leave back after 6 yrs, the company will file in EB1-A and thereby getting your GC. After you get your GC, you are already out of touch from the rest of the world except from your daily offshore/onsite issues and so on and you would not be able to know as to what exactly you can do with your GC. All that happens is you will not be fit to work anywhere except the place you were working at. This has happened to many of my colleagues. I was lucky enough to get out of that chaos after my 1 yr at onsite. All I can say is I'm very much happy now with GC filed in EB2 and making much more that what I used to ...
BTW your comment on someone working for $1 or 30k is for their own noble cause and you cannot expect everyone to have that.
And coming to a conclusion about someone who you do not know about is uncalled for...
And people here are scolding and ranting against the program, not "loophole". But why even fight against the so-called loopholes? Don't we have anything better to do? Visa recapture is a much more worthy goal
And BTW, a 30k salary doesn't matter for executives. Jerry Yang works for $1 a year, so does it mean he is not eligible? And what about the executives working for free for a noble cause? Not everyone is money-minded, and they may choose their goals and priorities
GK, All I can say about your disconnected arguments are one thing. Myself and Nathan are talking about fairness about the system and on how corporates exploit the loophole thereby exploiting the hardworking individuals like you and me. We never here scolded and ranted about the program and as a matter of fact we are having issues with the so called "LoopHole" But your arguments are going in a completely different direction. You can re-read all of our posts again and see where we mentioned anything about ranting against the program.
And BTW FYI, I never worked for TCS. And to let you know, I did my Masters in Soft Engg from BITS and Bachelors in Technology. When I say I got paid 65k for the kind of service I did to the company(5 yrs ago) , itself says a lot of things on how companies exploit which has no relation to the number of yrs of experience and qualifications.
All that matters for those companies is whether client is made happy or not, irrespective of what you undergo. FYI I worked company starting with W (top 3 IT companies in India at that time) .
Let me explain you how this works.....Exactly as to how it happened in my case.
First you are given ransom salary offer say 30-40% more that what you might be earning and an immediate on-site offer within 12 months of joining the company. You feel pretty happy with all of those initially.
Later they send you onsite as promised on L1 by making you wait for 1 yr, (even when they can sponsor you H1) so person would be eligible on L1. Things will look good until now.
While sending you to onsite, no one will let you know what kind of salary you would be paid. Things will start to get interesting from the moment you land in US.
You are paid just a week of hotel stay(extended stay) and 1 week car rental(only if you have valid DL). You have to beg / borrow for a ride or take public commute if available.
After 2 days of settling you will be given a salary letter stating that your salary is 50k with a bonus of 5k.
This is the catch. The companies feel that sending a guy on site itself is a big deal. Logically you think that person earning more at offshore than the other person will also get paid more. Its not the case, everyone at onsite are paid the same, irrespective of what their salary is are offshore(only 2 salary ranges exist).And there is no offshore component, and the pathetic thing about it is, you are paid basic salary at offshore deducting from your onsite salary.
Also, just so you know, and onsite person playing a manager role is just an additional responsibility and not a dedicated role. So this is on top of your regular technical role.
And now comes your GC step. After you spend 5 yrs onsite, since you have to leave back after 6 yrs, the company will file in EB1-A and thereby getting your GC. After you get your GC, you are already out of touch from the rest of the world except from your daily offshore/onsite issues and so on and you would not be able to know as to what exactly you can do with your GC. All that happens is you will not be fit to work anywhere except the place you were working at. This has happened to many of my colleagues. I was lucky enough to get out of that chaos after my 1 yr at onsite. All I can say is I'm very much happy now with GC filed in EB2 and making much more that what I used to ...
BTW your comment on someone working for $1 or 30k is for their own noble cause and you cannot expect everyone to have that.
And coming to a conclusion about someone who you do not know about is uncalled for...
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zoooom
08-10 11:06 PM
I dont think this is true coz I am juky 2nd filer and my checks havent been cashed yet...
RN_Usa
07-31 11:39 AM
i m Nurse on h4 and waiting to finish my Nclex exam fast. Lack of nclex certificate make us loss the chance for applying for imigration petition..
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knnmbd
04-25 12:59 PM
Guys what about the type of visa? I mean shud the start date be ur H1B start date or ur F1 entry date? Coz if some people start on an H1 a lot of us also started on an F1. In that case doesnt it make more sense to root for the clause that says the immigrant can apply for his own GC that is employer independant? If i am not mistaken, is that not already a part of the PACE act?
Besides a lot of people are not sure for a while, if they even want to apply for their GCs or not initially. I personally know of atleast 3 such people. By putting the responsibility of application of the GC into the immigrant's hands, and empowering the applicant to apply for himself/herself, the process becomes a lot more transparent and fair. That way the day the immigrant decides to apply and applies is their PD. That way if someone does not start it as soon as he/she can, it is now up to them. Since the applicant Can apply for himself instead of being sponsored for a GC by an employer, it is no longer employer based, so no one can fault the employer saying that, "They didnt file for me for a year".
In my opinion, just pushing ur PD to the date u entered will not really help a lot. Coz say ur current PD is Feb 2002 EB3 but u had entered in 1998. DOL/UCSIS will say, ok lets do that, and the next day they will say, Now the Retrogression goes back to the year 1996. Is that not possible? Currently what we need is the immigrant to be in total control of his/her GC process. That way the GC can take even 10 years, so long as the applicant and dependants can avail of EADs and Travel permits which are longer than just 1 year increments. If we are thinking long term, then shudnt we be looking at this aspect? The GC itself represents nothing more than total freedom in ur career and it's choices. If we can achieve the same thing without the actual GC, isint that our goal?
I agree. Also, since F1 is not a dual intent visa this will not hold water. Anyways this is a ridiculous demand. We are not the law makers and we should consider ourselves lucky that couple of IV's amendments are in a few of the senator’s bills, though there are no guarantees if they will be included in the final text or let alone be passed. We should only push for what is already include in the 2 bills and not confuse everyone every time one of us comes up with this "brilliant" idea of using H1B entry date as priority date. So what's the next amendment we want " include the day I first envisioned that I will come to America as the priority date". WE NEED ONE VOICE and we have already been heard so let’s stick to what is practical and push those amendments through.
Besides a lot of people are not sure for a while, if they even want to apply for their GCs or not initially. I personally know of atleast 3 such people. By putting the responsibility of application of the GC into the immigrant's hands, and empowering the applicant to apply for himself/herself, the process becomes a lot more transparent and fair. That way the day the immigrant decides to apply and applies is their PD. That way if someone does not start it as soon as he/she can, it is now up to them. Since the applicant Can apply for himself instead of being sponsored for a GC by an employer, it is no longer employer based, so no one can fault the employer saying that, "They didnt file for me for a year".
In my opinion, just pushing ur PD to the date u entered will not really help a lot. Coz say ur current PD is Feb 2002 EB3 but u had entered in 1998. DOL/UCSIS will say, ok lets do that, and the next day they will say, Now the Retrogression goes back to the year 1996. Is that not possible? Currently what we need is the immigrant to be in total control of his/her GC process. That way the GC can take even 10 years, so long as the applicant and dependants can avail of EADs and Travel permits which are longer than just 1 year increments. If we are thinking long term, then shudnt we be looking at this aspect? The GC itself represents nothing more than total freedom in ur career and it's choices. If we can achieve the same thing without the actual GC, isint that our goal?
I agree. Also, since F1 is not a dual intent visa this will not hold water. Anyways this is a ridiculous demand. We are not the law makers and we should consider ourselves lucky that couple of IV's amendments are in a few of the senator’s bills, though there are no guarantees if they will be included in the final text or let alone be passed. We should only push for what is already include in the 2 bills and not confuse everyone every time one of us comes up with this "brilliant" idea of using H1B entry date as priority date. So what's the next amendment we want " include the day I first envisioned that I will come to America as the priority date". WE NEED ONE VOICE and we have already been heard so let’s stick to what is practical and push those amendments through.
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pappu
08-16 10:11 AM
I happen to be a freelance writer (not a journalist). In response to this thread, I have penned a 2,700 word commentary on the current challenges titled "The Plight of Promise". In order to beef it up with some compelling statistics, can 5 or 6 people respond to this thread with anonymized details of their specific circumstances and how they are suffering. Keep it to 2 or 3 sentences. I will cull out required data points to make the case. For ex:
- AD, a 31 yr old non immigrant worker from Poland with a wife and two kids. Unable to get into stage 3, meanwhile need to change my job and relocate to a specific city where my child's health needs can be taken care of. Unable to do so because...
If anyone would like to get the final edited version, let me know. You will be free to republish it without copyright concerns, subject to attribution.
Lastly, I will be spending a good amount of quality time in this matter. So, I will respectfully ask people to resist their desire to 'nit pick' the pieces. Constructive, candid feedback, of course, is always welcome!
hastily, but sincerely,
obviously
Thanks a lot for the post. pls PM me your contact email and phone and we will be in touch for help on some cases amongst IV members you can use for your piece.
- AD, a 31 yr old non immigrant worker from Poland with a wife and two kids. Unable to get into stage 3, meanwhile need to change my job and relocate to a specific city where my child's health needs can be taken care of. Unable to do so because...
If anyone would like to get the final edited version, let me know. You will be free to republish it without copyright concerns, subject to attribution.
Lastly, I will be spending a good amount of quality time in this matter. So, I will respectfully ask people to resist their desire to 'nit pick' the pieces. Constructive, candid feedback, of course, is always welcome!
hastily, but sincerely,
obviously
Thanks a lot for the post. pls PM me your contact email and phone and we will be in touch for help on some cases amongst IV members you can use for your piece.
gsc999
07-20 02:44 PM
Guys, don't be disappointed about the Cornyn amendment failing! Here's why:
Therefore, even people like Clinton voted no, because if the Cornyn amendment had passed it would have denied them the visibility and publicity that a well-organized and publicized bill would generate. Clinton has spoken in our favor before, and I think that she voted nay now in order to later be part of a more visible (and politically-rewarding) solution for us.
Jamie: IVers agree with latter part of your message that we need to make IV strong.
Many IVers still wrongly believe that Hillary, Obama or Democrats are supportes of our cause. Let us get over this misconception as soon as possible to avoid any future disappointments. Also, please do let us know when Hilllary spoke in our support? I must have missed that. If you can't find that link, most probably its because it never happened. During the recent grand bargain bill her only proposed amendment was for family unification visas, if I remember correctly.
Where is Robinder and his USINPAC now? Look at this link below:
http://www.usinpac.com/
Smiling pics of Hillary and other political figure and millions of dollars in campaign donation. Result, no vote on SKIL bill.
Therefore, even people like Clinton voted no, because if the Cornyn amendment had passed it would have denied them the visibility and publicity that a well-organized and publicized bill would generate. Clinton has spoken in our favor before, and I think that she voted nay now in order to later be part of a more visible (and politically-rewarding) solution for us.
Jamie: IVers agree with latter part of your message that we need to make IV strong.
Many IVers still wrongly believe that Hillary, Obama or Democrats are supportes of our cause. Let us get over this misconception as soon as possible to avoid any future disappointments. Also, please do let us know when Hilllary spoke in our support? I must have missed that. If you can't find that link, most probably its because it never happened. During the recent grand bargain bill her only proposed amendment was for family unification visas, if I remember correctly.
Where is Robinder and his USINPAC now? Look at this link below:
http://www.usinpac.com/
Smiling pics of Hillary and other political figure and millions of dollars in campaign donation. Result, no vote on SKIL bill.
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07-05 10:39 AM
I sent them letters via certified mail on Tuesday!
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desi485
11-25 07:21 PM
Sir,
Thank you for your response. Is it normal to see an LUD on the 140 (approved) as well, when the G-28N is sent in?
Thanks,
Sharing what I read on IV - some members reported their 140 status reverted to 'pending' along with a recent LUD when their ex-employer revoked already approved 140. In your case, status is not changed. Keep an eye on status. Hopefully, CIS will not do another wrongful denial, crossing my fingers. Best Luck bro!
Thank you for your response. Is it normal to see an LUD on the 140 (approved) as well, when the G-28N is sent in?
Thanks,
Sharing what I read on IV - some members reported their 140 status reverted to 'pending' along with a recent LUD when their ex-employer revoked already approved 140. In your case, status is not changed. Keep an eye on status. Hopefully, CIS will not do another wrongful denial, crossing my fingers. Best Luck bro!
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ssss
08-06 04:05 PM
I also have a problem getting my employer's signature
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carbon
07-20 03:27 PM
I thought Grassley is against skilled immigration!
He voted Yea!
He voted Yea!
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ashutrip
06-19 07:48 AM
I agree. Email and call below dol personnnel as well.
Tom Coyne on 312.596.5435.
E-mail : coyne.tom@dol.gov
Any trend of certifications of backlogged applications?
Tom Coyne on 312.596.5435.
E-mail : coyne.tom@dol.gov
Any trend of certifications of backlogged applications?
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ajitst
07-23 01:04 PM
USINPAC is not interested in Legal immigrants or anything to do with greencard issues, guys they have already got their's. They are more interested in faimily reunification and GC's for their relatives.
I am not sure even democrats are with us in legal immigration. They are just trying to bundle this with illegal immigration issues and using it to negotiate with more business oriented republicans. I think IV should work more closely with republicans to decouple these two issues. I think its common misconception spread by American Indians (USINPAC) that democrats are pro-immigration.
I am not sure even democrats are with us in legal immigration. They are just trying to bundle this with illegal immigration issues and using it to negotiate with more business oriented republicans. I think IV should work more closely with republicans to decouple these two issues. I think its common misconception spread by American Indians (USINPAC) that democrats are pro-immigration.
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forgerator
12-10 05:06 PM
I am with you Almond. After waiting for 12 long years in USA and 8 long years for a GC, the tunnel is still dark.
Same here. Been in the States since 1998. They should give honorary GCs just for completing 10 legal years of being in this country. :mad:
Same here. Been in the States since 1998. They should give honorary GCs just for completing 10 legal years of being in this country. :mad:
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gctoget
07-16 11:53 AM
nice to see good activity on the forum. Please hold on from holding any rally until you hear from IV core. We have some good synergy amongst or members in So Cal, lets plan a meeting in the coming weeks and decide on an action plan. I would encourage you to start thinking about ideas/specific actions we can take. I have a few ideas and would share it on our so cal email distribution list. Who can take the initiative to organize this meeting? Twinbrothers? any one else? Pls P.M me.
Hi,
I have made a list of all SoCal members. It is coming upto 50. Please give us instructions on arranging a rally in LA, SanDiego or Orange county ASAP.
Hi,
I have made a list of all SoCal members. It is coming upto 50. Please give us instructions on arranging a rally in LA, SanDiego or Orange county ASAP.
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07-15 04:27 PM
Count me in. I live in LA County - San Gabriel Valley
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Saralayar
07-20 09:23 PM
Stop Showing These Numbers, Assumptions... Alright You're Good In Mathematics.. #@#~! Vb Or C#... Whatever... Give Those People At Uscis The Benefit Of The Doubt... I Think They're Not That Dumb Like What You Think... Maybe You're Not Happy With You're Employer...cant Wait To Leave...
All are exagerated values. Unless we have the correct values, these predictions are just waste of time and mind disturbing.:(
All are exagerated values. Unless we have the correct values, these predictions are just waste of time and mind disturbing.:(
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gk_2000
04-21 06:26 PM
My hearty congratulations..
Your degree was 3 yr or 4?
I have always been a passive reader of this post and multiple other similar posts. It helped me a lot and I thought sharing my positive porting experience will help/encourage others. Below are details of my long journey
1. Initial labor
a. Filed - July 8 2003 (no masters, no 5 years, Title: Systems Analyst)
b. Approved - August 31 2006
2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
a. Filed - October 11 2006
b. Approved - April 6 2007
3. I485 (NSC)
a. Filed - July 19 2007
b. RFE - April 2009 (Birth Certificate related for me and Medical related for my wife)
4. Perm
a. Same company. By 2011, I was promoted multiple times and currently managing multiple projects. Every H1b that was approved after 2003 clearly showed the growth and the promotion on the job title and salary.
b. Filed - Feb 9 2011 (Progressive growth within the same company, Title: Project Director)
c. Approved - Feb 15 2011
5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed - March 9 2011, Premium Processing
b. Approved - March 21 2011 (A# and Priority Date retained)
6. Interfiling
a. March 24 2011 - Created a SR requesting the process I485 using the new EB2 140
b. March 29 2011 - Lawyer sent the official Interfile Request
c. April 5 2011 - Contacted both the senators and congressman. They were very prompt in responding back. Also sent emails to NSCFollowup and EBUpdate.
d. April 7 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion)
e. April 14 2011 - Got the magic email at 9:15pm for both me and my wife. One of the happiest days in my life.
f. Waiting on the physical cards to take a long break :)
Wish the very best to everyone else waiting on the GC line.
Your degree was 3 yr or 4?
I have always been a passive reader of this post and multiple other similar posts. It helped me a lot and I thought sharing my positive porting experience will help/encourage others. Below are details of my long journey
1. Initial labor
a. Filed - July 8 2003 (no masters, no 5 years, Title: Systems Analyst)
b. Approved - August 31 2006
2. EB3 I140 (NSC)
a. Filed - October 11 2006
b. Approved - April 6 2007
3. I485 (NSC)
a. Filed - July 19 2007
b. RFE - April 2009 (Birth Certificate related for me and Medical related for my wife)
4. Perm
a. Same company. By 2011, I was promoted multiple times and currently managing multiple projects. Every H1b that was approved after 2003 clearly showed the growth and the promotion on the job title and salary.
b. Filed - Feb 9 2011 (Progressive growth within the same company, Title: Project Director)
c. Approved - Feb 15 2011
5. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed - March 9 2011, Premium Processing
b. Approved - March 21 2011 (A# and Priority Date retained)
6. Interfiling
a. March 24 2011 - Created a SR requesting the process I485 using the new EB2 140
b. March 29 2011 - Lawyer sent the official Interfile Request
c. April 5 2011 - Contacted both the senators and congressman. They were very prompt in responding back. Also sent emails to NSCFollowup and EBUpdate.
d. April 7 2011 - Went for an Infopass Appointment (Useless in my opinion)
e. April 14 2011 - Got the magic email at 9:15pm for both me and my wife. One of the happiest days in my life.
f. Waiting on the physical cards to take a long break :)
Wish the very best to everyone else waiting on the GC line.
alterego
06-24 12:31 PM
America is losing its attractiveness to the worlds top talent. Those of us in the system may feel that having invested so much time/effort/money already in the process, we cannot turn back now and cut our losses, however looking at it from the perspective of a promising 24 yr old researcher or graduate, the vantage point can be quite different. He has very little invested in this country and looks at the situation of those like us ahead of him/her in the pipeline to make a decision.
That decision might become that the US is not a place to settle down, that it is not a welcoming nation, that opportunities are choked off for the non natives, etc etc. Those would be the worst messages to send to the cream of the world's talent. The reaction would be to either not come in or to come in with a mindset to take the best of the education system etc and move on to the best opportunities. The US has never had to react to his type of thing, because hitherto it was a minimal issue. The current policies however are changing that.
That decision might become that the US is not a place to settle down, that it is not a welcoming nation, that opportunities are choked off for the non natives, etc etc. Those would be the worst messages to send to the cream of the world's talent. The reaction would be to either not come in or to come in with a mindset to take the best of the education system etc and move on to the best opportunities. The US has never had to react to his type of thing, because hitherto it was a minimal issue. The current policies however are changing that.
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